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23 years ago Nicole Sullivan was involved in a car accident that left her with Chronic Regional Pain Syndrome and unable to drive, work or even wash her own hair for over 18 months.

Doctors prescribed narcotics, antidepressants, and nerve block shots, to little effect. Worse, many of the drugs produced side effects including seizures. Traditional medicine wasn’t working. Even Nicole’s job was compromised.

She decided to take a more natural approach. Chiro, massage, acupuncture, infrared saunas, and Epsom salt baths started her on her healing journey.  Then she discovered NIKKI; the bioenergetics-based technology that proved to be a major game changer. 

Nicole wears her NIKKI at night to help with her sleep and also wears an Oura ring to track the results. She’s a big fan of the pain setting. Since she started using NIKKI, Nicole has not taken any over-the-counter pain medicine. NIKKI has put progress toward improved wellness in Nicole’s hands and on her wrist.

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Heather Gray: Welcome everybody. I’m Heather Gray, Functional Diagnostic Nutrition Practitioner, and I am the host of Bioenergetics Beats brought to you by NIKKI. Unleash the wellness within. It’s a non-invasive, easily affordable, and highly effective approach to optimize wellness. It’s a wearable device that puts frequency-based better life in your hands and on your wrists. And today is podcast number one of Bioenergetics Beat, and we are here with President Nicole Sullivan to talk more about her experience with the NIKKI, what kind of benefits that she’s seen from it, go a little bit into her backstory, and then talk about how they, you know, how this amazing life-changing device has come about. So everybody, let’s welcome Nicole.

Heather Gray: Thank you so much for joining us today. So how did you get involved with this technology?

Nicole Sullivan: Oh, thanks so much, Heather. I’m so happy to be here. I’m really excited to kick off this podcast. Um, it’s something that I’ve just really believe in. And I feel so strongly that we need to bring this to the world. So, um, a little bit about my backstory, a serial entrepreneur. I have a magical, wonderful toolbox of many things that I’ve done in my life, including many holistic and alternative things, uh, was an aromatherapist for 14 years, and I had a bunch of products and different things that I made. And then I’ve always been into like alternative medicine and these sorts of things. Um, so I’m always on the lookout, uh, for different modalities and different experiences and different things like that. And when I had the opportunity to start working with free Medica six years ago, it was.

Nicole Sullivan: awesome. Like I took it. I love working with Stephen. I love working with the people that I work with and the people that I work for. And while we started with a real hard focus on trying to help people with Lyme disease and the symptoms that they were experiencing and the devastation they were experiencing in their lives. And I learned that the technology, which is the same technology that’s used for NIKKI, was being used for that. I thought, wait, there’s something here. This is really phenomenal. This is really different. And I want to know more about it. And so over the course of the last six years, I’ve learned more and more how we do what we do, what we do, we do. And the why has always been very clear in terms of bringing wellness to the world.

Heather Gray: That’s incredible. Wellness to the world. Absolutely.

Heather Gray: Give us a little bit more, like I want to dig a little deeper. You said you were always fascinated with alternative medicine and aromatherapy. Most people who get into this kind of work usually have their own right backstory that got them there. So can, do you have that sort of a personal story that you wouldn’t mind sharing with us?

Nicole Sullivan: I do actually. So I come from a pretty holistic family and while allopathic medicine is amazing and it has its place and believe me, I know it has its place in life. And I believe that there is a marriage that you can have an allopathic adventure and you can have a holistic adventure. And I believe that they can be together. I don’t think it’s an either or. I just think that everybody in terms of biology and who we are respond to different treatments in different ways and respond to different modalities in different ways. So I have experimented and had support in Ayurvedic medicine, in traditional Chinese medicine, in Western herbalism, in aromatherapy, in Reiki, in acupuncture. So all kinds of different modalities including chiropractic. So how this kind of came to a head for me about 23 years ago, I was in a car accident. And while the accident itself wasn’t that bad, it was unfortunate that while we were rear-ended, my head was turned and my head was turned and looking at the person who was driving and we were hit and my head went forward and back and then something happened to my parasympathetic nervous system and everything kind of went haywire and the pain was off the chart. And it took me five years to recover from this accident. And ultimately the thing that pushed it over the edge was pregnancy, thankfully. Pregnancy was a sustained elevated body temperature and blood volume kind of flicked the parasympathetic switch back on, but I’m one of the lucky ones. So I ended up at the time with something called CRPS, which is chronic regional pain syndrome. And everything that they tried for me wasn’t working.

Nicole Sullivan: it was not working. It was like drug after drug, narcotic, this, that, and the pain was crazy and everything was getting worse and worse and worse. And neuropathic pain is…

Nicole Sullivan: It’s not, it’s not awesome or no pain is awesome, but neuropathic pain, regular things don’t work on it. So.

Heather Gray: Can you go a little bit more into some of those who might not know, what is neuropathic pain?

Nicole Sullivan: So neuropathic pain, meaning pain along anything in the nervous system. It’s not the same as like having a bruise or a laceration. It’s like actually in the nervous system itself. And so it’s often treated with antidepressants, anticonvulsants, things like that, that work in the neural network to deal with the pain. And so those are not awesome alternatives. Like narcotics aren’t awesome either. And if you need them, you need them and I get it. And I’ve had opportunities in my life that I’ve had to use them, but yeah, neuropathic pain, like you just, you can never get away from it. And narcotics don’t work on it because they don’t work on the neural pathways. So,

Nicole Sullivan: That was not awesome to me. I was actually quite scared of taking anticonvulsants and antidepressants and a whole bunch of things when the risks kind of outweighed the benefits and the payoff was minimal for what I was experiencing. And so then they started giving me shots in my neck and they started doing a tourniquet IVs and they started pumping me full of anesthetics and doing all kinds of things to do nerve blocks. And then, you know, after five, six, seven, eight of those, it was like.

Nicole Sullivan: this is not, what are my alternatives here? Like, this is not fantastic. And after, I think it was the second internal IV, I think I’d had five or six person, but then the nerve blocks in my neck, and then the second internal IV in my arm, they said, okay, now we’ll do a cervical epidural. And the chance of paralysis is like one or 2%, it’s not bad. And I was like,

Nicole Sullivan: that’s one or 2% too much for me. Like I’m already dealing with this craziness and I’m already really scared. And at that point, my left arm had lost about an inch in girth compared to my right. And I was losing mobility in my hand. The pain was just really, really bad. So I started working with acupuncture. I started working with chiropractic. Before you get into that,

Heather Gray: How is the pain affecting your life? Like what were some of the- Oh. Yeah.

Nicole Sullivan: In terms of the pain affecting my life, I was not able at that point, I had really long hair and I wasn’t able to wash my own hair. I wasn’t able to kind of dress myself well or really at all. I wasn’t able to drive. I wasn’t able to work. So it was 18 months at that point before I could try to drive again. And I kind of had to push through pain and of course not be on any kind of pain meds to do so. I wasn’t functioning really well in terms of the day-to-day living aspects of things. It was really, really hard to just maintain and try to focus. Pain alters people. And unless somebody has had a chronic pain condition, they don’t quite understand that it kind of hijacks you and it takes away who you are and who you feel you are or where you’re going. Cause it’s like, okay, we’ve done a 180 and this isn’t anywhere I thought I would be. And next thing you know, you’re off work and you’re not doing all the things that you normally do to feel productive and like a person who belongs to society that was like.

Nicole Sullivan: Yeah, that’s something.

Heather Gray: And that’s something, yeah, that people sadly, who don’t experience this don’t understand. Like I remember back when I was undiagnosed Lyme and at the massage therapist and she was massaging me and she goes, Oh, so what kind of pain meds are you on? And I kind of was like, I’m sorry, what? And she’s like, you are rock hard. She’s like, most people who feel like you are on some sort of pain meds. I’m like, no, I’m just kind of a snarky blankety blank. I’m just not a very nice person. And that’s how it showed up for me. My ex-husband told me that I was a miserable person by nature. I really wasn’t. I’m not. It was the pain that the relentless, you know, can’t get away from pain that was causing me to be.

Heather Gray: not such a nice person, you know, reactive, you know, short with people like it’s amazing, crazy how it does hijack. I tell people all the time, you know, to give Karen’s right. Oh, some grace, because usually people don’t act like a Karen, unless there’s something going on, right, mentally, physically, like, you don’t understand what’s going on in that person’s life. And, you know, just to be able to show up with grace, you know, period is such a gift, especially with people with chronic pain. So sorry to interrupt you. But that was just

Nicole Sullivan: No, I totally get it. Yeah, I totally get it. And it’s also it’s the kind of situation that I was dealing with is is would also be considered an invisible disability because people didn’t understand what was wrong with me. They couldn’t understand why my arm was color. Or Yeah, exactly. Or like I was in so much pain or, you know, barometric pressure. Oh, wow, when that would change or it was windy, I’d be like in the fetal position crying it hurt so badly.

Heather Gray: Come on, Nicole.

Nicole Sullivan: And yet it’s like, well, where’s my life? I don’t get to do those things anymore. I don’t get to work. I don’t get to play. I don’t get to do anything except, you know, go to appointment after appointment after appointment. It was.

Nicole Sullivan: It was really awful. At one point, it was just, my life was like two to three, some kind of appointments a day. And then a physio, and then, you know, this doctor and that doctor and this neurologist and that pain specialist. And it was like, I felt like I was insane.

Nicole Sullivan: And it was just really, really, really awful. And when I think back to that time, I think, gosh, my opportunities to drive were like, okay, well, you either get to this appointment and you have to have like a village and team that helps you get there because you have appointment after appointment and they’re all over the place and doctors decide when their appointments are, you don’t get to decide anything. Or I got to go myself, but that meant I couldn’t be on medication to drive. So it was like either be in excruciating pain and get yourself places and don’t be dependent on anybody or lessen the pain somewhat and then have this village of people that’s helping to support you. So it was a really difficult, difficult time.

Nicole Sullivan: And so after a little bit, and then I found out with the anticonvulsant medicine, they had me on really, really high doses because they’re like, oh, it’s not as effective as it should be. And they kept kind of jacking up the dose and same with the antidepressants. And they’re like, huh, huh, this isn’t really working really well. And I’m thinking, what are the consequences of me being on these meds? Well, what they didn’t tell me is that I could start having seizures.

Nicole Sullivan: Okay, yeah, no, that’s enough. I’m tired of being a human pincushion. I’m in pain anyway. This stuff isn’t really working. You’ve had your shot, and now I know what it is that I’m dealing with. So I slowly weaned off of those meds, thankfully without major repercussion, thank goodness, and then started kind of on a more holistic bend. So a chiropractic massage when I could handle it because that was a pretty painful thing.

Nicole Sullivan: um, acupuncture, Chinese medicine, uh, all kinds of stuff. Um, infrared sauna.

Nicole Sullivan: So he was my number one friend, like so, so good. So all of those things led me to more and more and more of that holistic approach and kind of brought me back into the land of the functional. Yes, there were days when I just had to keep pushing through and keep pushing through.

Heather Gray: That’s incredible. I mean, it’s kind of funny, not funny, but how much your story and what you went through sounds a lot like an undiagnosed or even diagnosed Lyme patient. Like the similarities are very much there, especially because of the pain that is involved with Lyme. But so we’re going to dive deeper into the things that you dealt with with the pain, but we’re going to stop for commercial here and show you kind of how we deal with pain. So stay tuned. We’ll be right back.

Heather Gray: Awesome. Welcome back, everybody. Hopefully you stuck around and are going to join us. The nail biter, like, how did she get through this? Right? There’s a cliffhanger, not a cliffhanger. We’re actually going to tell you how she got through this and some of the other ways that you can help support yourself with pain because nobody should be living with chronic pain. That’s also a huge,

Heather Gray: a huge call that, you know, that I’m here to do as well. Like nobody, pain is absolutely horrific. I mean, yeah, I digress. So Mickey, tell us a little bit about some of the avenues that you, the more holistic route that you went through after trying the meds and the shots and all the seizures and all the funny stuff. So, yeah.

Nicole Sullivan: Yeah, crazy, craziness. So one of the first things that was super, super helpful is that I would kind of back-to-back my appointments. I would try my acupuncture and then I would go for chiropractic, which just meant that the chiro could actually take hold because the muscles were letting go. The acupuncture did a lot to help relieve some of the spasming and some of the really acute nerve pain. And so then we started doing intramuscular acupuncture and all kinds of things, and then like TENS and other things through physio. So I would kind of try to back-to-back my appointments. So I knew that the chiro could get deeper or the massage could get deeper if I could get the muscles and the nerves to calm down first.

Nicole Sullivan: So those were some of the things that I did to kind of piggyback them on each other. And then I went quite frequently and I had really amazing practitioners that worked with me. The other thing that was really phenomenal was pool physio. So it was one of the first places that I felt like I can actually do something I’m not being done to. And to kind of gain some mobility and start working on strength while my body was being fully supported in the water was phenomenal. And then sometimes I would go to an appointment after that just to kind of help out with any inflammation or anything that could have happened if I tweaked anything at all, like doing my exercises or anything like that. So there was always things were coupled together. My other thing would be I did Epsom salt baths with a lot of like anti-inflammatory oils and calming oils, things for nerving, the nerving tonics, anything I could do to try to calm the nerves down between the Epsom salt baths and the soaks and the oils, the infrared sauna. So those were

Nicole Sullivan: super, super huge things for me. So I kind of would be like, you know, Monday, Wednesday, Friday would be, you know, physio and then acupuncture. And then Tuesdays and Thursdays would be like infrared sauna and this and that, like, that’s kind of how it went. And then I started walking. Walking was like, it just became like another thing that I could do on my own. And at first it was very painful, very slow going. And I started out with like five minutes and I thought, ooh, okay, made it, you know? But the body is really miraculous and it really responds and it wants to heal, like it really does. I really believe that. And so those were some of the things that I did. And then as a result, you know, the walking increased and then the need for all of the therapies kind of started to decrease. And as the circulation improved and other things improved, it was great. And like I said, the thing that really flipped the switch as I got pregnant with my oldest and like I said, the elevated body temperature, sustained body temperature and blood volume flicked that parasympathetic switch back on and then boom. Then I was just starting in a regenerative, like building muscle back and doing other things. So it was pretty phenomenal.

Nicole Sullivan: So to this day, though.

Nicole Sullivan: It is the gift that keeps on giving because there’s arthritis in my neck from that accident.

Nicole Sullivan: And there is numbness down that my right arm and my two fingers are always numb. That’s just, I was like, oh yay, the gift that keeps on giving.

Nicole Sullivan: So I work really hard on inflammation and systemic inflammation, and again, pain. And that is where.

Nicole Sullivan: this comes in.

Nicole Sullivan: Yeah, I’m not without, in fact, I have two. When one is charging, I wear the other. No word of a lie. Oh my gosh, why haven’t I told you that?

Heather Gray: Yeah, because I want to play more with the sleep stuff, but I wear it all day. So by the time it comes to nighttime, I’m not able to use it for the sleep stuff.

Nicole Sullivan: I need to get another one because I.

Nicole Sullivan: No, I wear mine 24/7.

Heather Gray: Ha, ha, funny. That’s a great idea. I need to get me another one. So yeah, tell us a little bit more about your journey with NIKKI and some of the results that you’ve experienced and started using it. And, you know, some of the, you know, a little bit more science-y, geeky, you know, questions that we get behind it and just, yeah, dive deeper into. And how cool is it that you got an amazing healing device named after you? It’s gotta be such an honor.

Nicole Sullivan: It is like it is it was funny, though, the way that the name came about is.

Nicole Sullivan: Originally, you know, we were all sitting around looking at like, well, what could we call this device? He has, we were looking at, okay. So we had the journey with everybody with Lyme and we thought, well, what happens after that? What’s next? And what’s next is NIKKI. Because it’s like, once you’ve been dealing with the Lyme and the co-infections and things are getting better and better and better in your life, it’s like, well, what other frequencies are out there that you could help your life with and like improve and enjoy in terms of quality of life. And so that’s where NIKKI came into play. And when we were all sitting around the table, looking to discuss the name, I know Stephen was kind of joking at one point, but then kind of not joking. He was asking everybody what, what their names mean or whatever. And he said, what if he called it NIKKI? And I kind of laughed and, ah, that’s funny. He said, no, seriously, what does your name mean? And I said,

Nicole Sullivan: Oh, well, my name means leader of the people.

Nicole Sullivan: There we go, because this is for everybody. Anybody who has got a biofield?

Heather Gray: There you go. I love that story. I’ve not heard that before. And the key is for everybody. Yes, because we all have a bioenergetic field. We’ll go more into that as well. But yeah, so what are some of the, you know, I, there’s so many things that I love about it, but I’d love to hear, you know, what are some of the things that you’ve experienced since starting using it?

Nicole Sullivan: For me, for someone who went through so many things as I say, being done to me, I got a little burned out on therapies. I’m not gonna lie. Like every once in a while, I’m like, oh, I could use a massage. I’m like, I can’t.

Nicole Sullivan: what I love about NIKKI.

Nicole Sullivan: It’s portable, it’s easy. I put it on, it’s totally non-invasive.

Nicole Sullivan: Um, like I said, like I’m, I’m used to being lying in a room, being hooked up to all kinds of machines and different things happening and practitioners doing their thing. And just, and it’s like, I don’t have to do any of that. I just have to put it on, choose what I need, you know, and then I kind of go from there. And sometimes I might leave one running for eight hours, or I might change up after a couple hours, depending on what’s going on or what I need. So I wear it on nighttime every night.

Nicole Sullivan: That’s a big deal for me, sleep became a really difficult thing. And for whatever reason, like sleep patterns got disrupted my circadian rhythm, I got all stressed.

Nicole Sullivan: screwed up. So when we started testing the night time, I was like, oh, okay, let’s see what happens.

Nicole Sullivan: I started getting better and better and better sleep. And it was like, wow, okay. And I know it when I don’t use nighttime. I’m like, oh, there it is. It shows up in my sleep score. Cause I do wear an aura ring and I kind of check and see where things are going. And I get deeper, better sleep, more REM sleep and just longer sleep when I wear nighttime on the regular. And it’s just something that.

Heather Gray: Wait, so you actually have clinical correlation from an aura ring to the nights that you’ve worn this to compare to times where you don’t? That’s incredible.

Nicole Sullivan: Yeah, yeah, I started noticing that because my head or was that it gives you beautiful notifications and I always joke and I’m always like yeah yeah and it’s always like hey girl you sleep so good last night I’m like yeah I know I mean it doesn’t use those words but that’s kind of how I feel when it’s talking to me. It’s like time to ease up I’m like, tell me something I don’t know aura. And when I’m wearing

SPEAKER_00: and how I feel when it’s.

Heather Gray: That’d be funny if we could program it into our voice like that. Oh my gosh. That would be funny.

Nicole Sullivan: That would be funny. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And so I started noticing, well, wait, I’m feeling a little bit more refreshed or wait, I’ve gone from like four to five hours to six to seven, to seven to eight. And it’s like.

Nicole Sullivan: Oh, OK, that’s totally different. And so nighttime is one that I wear on the regular.

Nicole Sullivan: Um, so I put my nighttime on about a half an hour or so before I go to bed. And for me, it just kind of helps me wind down and kind of get into the, Hey, this is what’s going on. I put it in night mode, so it’s not as bright and then away we go. And then I’m kind of like, and it’s funny, I usually wake up right when it’s ending, um, in the morning. It’s like, for some reason, I kind of know when my program’s in, I can kind of feel it.

Nicole Sullivan: Uh, in the morning, what I’ll do is the first thing I’ll do is I’ll put it on stress and anxiety, not because I’m stressed out, but because I have a routine of doing morning prayer meditation every morning, and it just helps me to stay calm and grounded. As part of being present to my routine and what I do, it’s just kind of how I enter the day. And it’s something that helps me center and ground. And I find that the stress and anxiety just adds that extra level of like calm and help me center. And so that’s another way that I use it. And then that, then the sucker gets put right into the pain mode, because I know, I know eventually over the course of the day, my neck’s going to get sore. Um, you know, if it’s again, particularly windy day, cold day, if there’s something going on where I’m just like, wow, or I didn’t quite sleep as well as I wanted to, or maybe I didn’t sleep.

Nicole Sullivan: in a more supported way, it’s always gonna show up in my neck first. So pain is.

Nicole Sullivan: my go-to, my number one frequency that I use on this device. And it’s just.

Nicole Sullivan: The difference in me having the pain on the device means that I haven’t taken Tylenol arthritis. I actually can’t even tell you when the last time I was let it took any.

Nicole Sullivan: And normally it was.

Nicole Sullivan: it was like kind of on a, on the regular. And I was like, wow, I’m not, I’m really not enjoying this. But there were some days it was like, I couldn’t function without it.

Nicole Sullivan: well over six months since I’ve had any.

Heather Gray: That’s crazy at all like no time.

Nicole Sullivan: at all, like no Tylenol, no ibuprofen, no analgesics, no like nothing, nada.

Nicole Sullivan: Yeah, it’s pretty it’s pretty amazing. So to me that feels always feels better because I don’t like taking stuff if I really don’t have to.

Heather Gray: is so hard on the liver, it contributes to leaky gut, like there’s so much more research that it’s coming out about that stuff and long-term use is not advised. So that’s great that you’re able to find something different and get off that stuff.

Nicole Sullivan: And I can’t tell you the last time I had a headache either, because headaches have been a pretty consistent thing. When I found out I had arthritis in my neck, I was 42. I’m now 51.

Nicole Sullivan: Um, and, um,

Nicole Sullivan: I thought I was getting scared because I thought, oh my gosh, this thing that was happening in my left arm, originally from the accident, it can come back and it can go anywhere in your body. And I started to have the same sort of symptoms in my right arm and I went, oh gosh, oh gosh, oh gosh. I was so scared and I ended up in a merge and the doctor was like, hey, does it hurt here? And I thought, wow, okay, that’s special. You didn’t have to poke that, end up with a CT scan. And he’s like, hey, you have arthritis in your leg. I’m like.

SPEAKER_00: I’m going to end up with a CT scan.

Nicole Sullivan: what? I’m 42. Like what? He’s like, yeah, were you ever in a car accident? And I was like,

Nicole Sullivan: Oh, man.

Heather Gray: Man. They keep on giving.

Nicole Sullivan: Literally, and I was so frustrated and so, yeah, to not have to take pain meds, have shots.

Nicole Sullivan: and do all those things and usually like fall and winter are like.

Nicole Sullivan: super nasty times of year for arthritis, like not awesome, because it’s just the cold and damper, not great.

Nicole Sullivan: I didn’t have to do anything this last winter.

Heather Gray: What a blessing, oh my gosh. And that’s just two out of the many frequencies that you can choose from that we started talking about. I’m still, I love seeing things happen instantly. So my ex-husband has issues with allergies, seasonal allergies, and this year, sneeze, sneeze, sneeze, sneeze, sneeze. I would slap the NIKKI on him, boom, instantly. Stop sneezing every single time. Not just like a fluke, oh, let’s try it again. Every single time, I actually don’t use the pain often. Thank God, what a blessing. What a testament that my health journey is that I don’t have to use the pain. I use it more for energy, because I still fight some fatigue, right? And then I loved it for the travel feature when I was going out Colorado to Florida. So it helped mitigate EMS and radiation, and it helped my body just get in tune with the new time zone so much better. Like I didn’t have any issues with going to bed at the right time and getting up at the right time. It was crazy how well that all worked out.

Nicole Sullivan: I wear travel every time I leave the house.

Nicole Sullivan: Oh, funny. Not just anywhere, like any, if I’m going grocery shopping, if I’m going out of the house, cause I’m like, I’m not in an environment that’s my environment, you know? And if I’m like with other people and just other things that are going on or just kind of being out and about as a person in the world, that’s where I will travel. And I wear virus and bacteria if I feel like I’m coming down with something. The one time, I think it was a couple of months ago, I was like, oh, I’m starting to get that tickle in my throat. Oh, I know, I’m not interested in that. I put on virus and bacteria, it didn’t manifest.

Heather Gray: Same thing with the immune. So when I was traveling, it never fails, just the stress from traveling. And because I’m sensitive and hotel rooms, stuff like that, usually about the third day into travel, I start to get sick. And so this time I was like, uh-uh. So as soon as I got done with the travel, I hit immune.

Heather Gray: didn’t get sick, first time ever.

Nicole Sullivan: Yeah, it’s pretty powerful stuff. So for me, like I said, I’m not without NIKKI because…

Nicole Sullivan: For me to live a life in terms of pain management, and I can’t make the arthritis go away. I’d really like to. Lord knows I’ve tried to wish it away, but

Nicole Sullivan: In terms of dealing with it, that’s just my go-to. And so it really helps me just have great functionality and to exercise and to do things that I love to do and spend time with my loved ones and friends and family and do all kinds of things. Walk the dogs, do all kinds of stuff without feeling like, oh, I’m gonna pay for that. It’s really nice that I’m not paying for that. It’s just a really different thing. And so this is where I feel like if we have the opportunity to choose the frequencies that we wanna put in our bodies, I know that we’re bombarded by frequencies everywhere. There’s frequencies all over the place and many of which I probably couldn’t even name. But just in the day-to-day, like I’m looking around, I’m like, oh, there’s a microwave. Oh, okay, there’s a radio. Oh, okay, there’s my cell phone.

Nicole Sullivan: that’s all frequency, right? You know, and I don’t always know where the towers are, where the dishes are, these different things, the satellite dishes and all the different things and being in the car and.

Nicole Sullivan: All of those things affect us, and I know that they do. And so I love that I have the opportunity to choose how I want to communicate with my body.

Heather Gray: Absolutely. So it makes sense that you use the travel every time you leave because your car in essence turns into a Faraday cage, right? So if there’s, you know, EMFs and stuff going on in there it actually just gets more amplified and they’ll get me started on electric vehicles. Like if you take an actual EMF reader to these electric vehicles. So a lot of us with chronic health issues, you know these Teslas are sometimes one of the worst things that we could do for our health. So it’s crazy the EMFs that they give off. And so that’s a perfect example of, you know a lot of times we don’t have control over our environment. So how beautiful that we have something that helps us you know, combat the world basically.

Nicole Sullivan: I think combat is one of the words, but I also like, I like the idea that we’re living with. There’s like an acceptance to like, I love technology. I’m not going to lie. I mean, we’re using technology right now to communicate. You’re in Colorado and I’m here in Victoria and it’s awesome.

Nicole Sullivan: But I love what it affords me, but at the same time, I kind of like the idea of living with. So it’s like, I choose to live with this, and I really like to accept and acknowledge that these things are awesome and enhance my life, but they do have a drawback. And so as a result, I get to use this, and devices like that. Before this, I did use the Wave One on the regular. I loved the Wave1, but NIKKI is just its own.

Nicole Sullivan: its own thing, its own version of wellness and their own version of communication and its own version of getting our bodies the information that they need to succeed.

Heather Gray: that’s freaking awesome so it’s already gone through kind of one iteration of you know wave one and then we went into so what’s next the NIKKI so can. Are you at liberty, can you talk at all about what’s coming down the pike with NIKKI because you guys are on the cutting edge of all kinds of amazing things like what’s next.

Nicole Sullivan: So what’s next? I think in terms of body systems, and I think in terms of cyclical ways of being, like nature is cyclical, our bodies kind of behave cyclically. So I like us to look at how we can further enhance what happens to us on a regular basis and what we deal with on a regular basis, whether it’s detoxification or it’s more organ support or it’s digestion or these sorts of things. Or by aging? I’m with you, sister. I’m with you on that. But I do think there are things that we can do and we can look at. So my hope and expectation is that we will expand frequency packages as we can and as we test them. And as we look at things to support the cyclical nature of our lives and who we are as human beings, and then eventually move into different form factors. That would be another thing that probably way down the road, but an exciting thing, because there’s no limit to where.

Nicole Sullivan: we can get light into the body.

Heather Gray: Absolutely, absolutely. And actually, so as we’re wrapping up, can you give us a little explanation of frequencies light in the body and the bioenergetic field?

Nicole Sullivan: Well, in layman’s terms, in my very own, like sort of chicken scratch way, what I would say is that each of us are an energetic being. This is what this means in terms of all of us are made up of energy. And while we know that energy cannot, can be, you know, like the way it can be created and what we are created from. And so as a result of that, we have opportunity energy to energy to communicate. It’s just a matter of what wavelength and how we get in there. So there’s sound vibration, there’s light, there’s pulsing, there’s magnetic fields. There’s all kinds of ways that our energy interacts with the world around us and has stores information.

Nicole Sullivan: Um, and as a result, what we do, why, why NIKKI and why wave one? Like why, what are, what is this technology? What does it do? So I’d like it like this.

Nicole Sullivan: We use light.

Nicole Sullivan: to carry frequency into the body. Now, light in its own right has frequency. It has frequency and vibration in terms of how it works and what that looks like. But we use the light as a carrier. And so a combination of light and sound and come into the body via the frequencies and just give the body information. So it carries to the cells. The cells were made to carry light. The body was made to carry light. It’s energy. It’s all just energy exchange. And the cells carry that through the body and give the information. And then there we go. And the body goes, hey, I recognize that. Or, hey, that’s something I’m gonna go look for. And as a result, we get the frequencies doing what we need them to do.

Nicole Sullivan: for us. So in terms of pain or inflammation or, you know, and stress and anxiety is saying, hey, these are things we recognize the body says I’ve got that info now I know what to do with it. So every time we disrupt the information flow, the body’s looking to find that connection again. So we

Nicole Sullivan: Give that bridge through the communication.

Heather Gray: Absolutely, totally makes sense. I love the analogy of the EKG, right? With everything’s, you know, with the magnetic field, the bioenergetic field, we can actually measure the hearts, you know, that EKG, you can measure the one with the brain. And once they’re not in concert, you know, they’re not talking to each other properly, then we’ve got dysfunction, we’ve got disease that happens. And devices like this helps remind our body, no, no, no, this is this is the wavelength that you should be talking, this is the language that you should be speaking, you’re not communicating very well, here, let me help you, right. And a lot of times, even in functional medicine, we talk about the root cause of things. And I have found that actually, the bioenergetic field has a tendency to be the true root causes of things, because there’s certain aspects out magnetically, bioenergetically, that if it’s not working properly, even your supplements and your food and like other things that you would normally do aren’t going to work to their full potential, because you’re out at an even more

Heather Gray: you know, lower level of more foundational level. And so, you know, when it comes to, you know, root cause types things like.

Heather Gray: This is the future. This is the wave of medicine and technology going forward. I’m just so excited to be on this wave with you guys.

Nicole Sullivan: I’m excited for it too. I’m excited for you to be here. I’m excited to share it with the world because I really do feel that this is the next way of being. We don’t have to do all the things that we’ve done before. We can do something different. And again, it doesn’t have to be an either or. It can be a both. It’s an and.

Nicole Sullivan: It’s an and, you know, it doesn’t have to only be one way and all bodies have an opportunity to respond in their own way, in their own time. I say, give it a chance and see what it does for you.

Heather Gray: And that’s a great point that you just brought up you know that and because a lot of times people will look at this type of technology to and look at it as a magic bullet and it’s not you know, even.

Heather Gray: you know, if you’re out there eating McDonald’s and eating, you know, drinking 32 ounces of Pepsi and not sleeping at night, you know, and then you wonder why the pain feature is not working for you. Like you can’t continue to inflame your system. This is just another tool in the toolbox, but the foundation of health still needs to be in place. And so I think a lot of times people put a little too much emphasis on the product itself and it’s not a magic bullet.

Nicole Sullivan: Yeah, I agree with you. It’s the tool in the toolbox, you know, so in my toolbox, again, there’s aromatherapy, there’s all kinds of things, but I do eat, I am strictly plant-based, so I eat a highly anti-inflammatory diet. I don’t take alcohol, I don’t take sugar, I don’t even take coffee. I know somebody asked me recently if I swear. I do, I promise, I do have a vice. But in terms of the tools in the toolbox, it is part and parcel of how you can live like what tools work best with you and with what you’re doing and where are you willing to be? Like meet yourself where you’re willing to be at because just forcing anything on anyone never works. You know, forcing dietary changes never work. Forcing, you know, meds or these kinds of things, it all has to be like, and this is where I feel like holistic approaches really are so phenomenal because it allows you to meet the person where they’re at and where they’re willing to be. And some of us sometimes are not willing.

Nicole Sullivan: that’s okay too. Some of us are not willing, and when you are, we’re here. So that’s the beautiful thing.

Heather Gray: Here at NIKKI, we really love our customers. And to show our appreciation, we’re giving away a device every single podcast episode. So make sure you go check out the show notes on how to enter. Stay tuned.

Heather Gray: I just wanted to say thank you so much for joining us today and educating us on all that is NIKKI. And do you have any kind of final thoughts, anything you want to wrap up with?

Nicole Sullivan: Um, not really, like I just, to me, like, I know it sounds so silly because it’s like, here, here I am. The device is named after me. I wear two of them. Like one, when one is charging, one is not. And I’m like, well, you’re the president of the company. I am, but I’m here because I believe in it. I’m here because I’ve seen a difference in the lives that it makes in my life, in my children’s lives, in my beloved’s life, in my mom’s life and my sister’s life. And my brother-in-law’s like, I see what is happening with the people around me. I see this totally stressed out school teacher who cannot function, who wears for NIKKI to school and everyone’s getting COVID and she’s not.

Nicole Sullivan: You know, I’m seeing the, you know, the guy who has horrible arthritis in his hand, who’s waving at me on Zoom going, hi, look it, I can wave my hands. And I’m going.

Nicole Sullivan: he used to be a carpenter and his hands don’t work very well anymore and he’s in his late 60s.

Nicole Sullivan: Just from those, those things.

Nicole Sullivan: Why not try it?

Heather Gray: I recorded an 11 year old the other day, you know, who was bed bound and out of school, couldn’t play tennis anymore, you know, because of Lyme disease. And then after wearing it for a couple of months, she’s got her life back, you know, 11 years old, like.

Heather Gray: These stories, they just keep coming and coming. And it was hilarious. So when I had Steven on my podcast, I hadn’t even tried the product. And I’m an entrepreneur. Entrepreneurs don’t typically ask, hey, can I come work for you? But I understood this technology enough and what you guys were doing that by the end of the podcast, when we were done, I was like, I don’t know if you’ve got a spot for me, but you need to make a spot for me because I have to be involved with this company somehow. And that’s kind of the similar story from what I hear of people who are involved in this company. They’re like, put me in coach, put me in, right?

Nicole Sullivan: That’s how we feel. We know who we’re working for. Like we’ve seen people come through devastating symptoms of Lyme disease.

Nicole Sullivan: like you said, bedridden or people with horrific parasites or people that have co-infections that keep them in brain fog and disarray and confusion and pain and digestive distress. Like we’ve seen so many people say, I’m doing my music again, or I’m teaching again, or I’m driving again. I was able to wash my hair or go make a meal or none of those things I take for granted. You know, they, when we get letters from people, it’s like the whole team comes together and we read them together. We get so excited. And now we’re getting letters like that about NIKKI.

Nicole Sullivan: We’re getting letters like that from people saying, oh, I can’t be without, oh my gosh, I’m sleeping. Oh, I have so much more energy. Oh my gosh. You know, my wife has two because she has a chronic pain condition and she wears one. And then when we have to charge it, she wears the other one. Or, you know, we’re hearing more and more stories of this. And it’s like, how could you not be juiced by that? That’s pretty exciting stuff.

Heather Gray: Absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, so thank you. So again, thank you for joining us today. And if you want to find out more, make sure that you go to and check out the device, you know, there’s phenomenal events that have been recorded from, you know, some famous doctors that we’ve interviewed. They’ve had like lab results testing showing of how this technology has helped their their health, you know, with just story after story, testimonial testimonial, you know, so if you don’t, you don’t have to just take our word for it, right, you know, do some digging. There’s a lot of phenomenal information on the website. So make sure to check it out. And if you really love this type of information, make sure that you share, like and subscribe, right? Because that’s how we get the word out. That’s how we continue to educate and bring hope to people like NIKKI who, you know, life was absolutely devastated with chronic pain or people like myself with chronic Lyme disease, you know, so please make sure that you like, share and subscribe and stay tuned and we’ll see you on another episode. Have a healthy day.

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